Apple Pays VirnetX $454 Million for Patent Infringement After U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Hear Apple's Appeal

They are a joke of a company - Virnetz...more like a Virus than some other things out there.

I can see someone filling that out: "... and eighty .. seven .. cents."

Wow, that's big check to write.

Virnetx readying their next set of their master patent troll plan

Kinda wonder how much actual revenue the company has made compared to how much they've won in lawsuits.

VirnetX has very little revenue on a year-to-year basis. It's had less than $10 million total over the last 10 reported years. It loses $10-30 million every year.

It's managed to survive with money it received in 2014 and 2010 from settling with Microsoft ($223 million total) and with paid-in capital. It won't even get to keep all of this payment from Apple. It effectively bought the rights to the IP in question and has to pay part of what it generates from that IP to the previous owner.

The company's share price has basically reflected the market's assessment of what it will be able to get from Apple in these lawsuits. Those actions aside, the company really isn't worth much. So you consider the likelihood that VirnetX will ultimately get paid from those actions, and how much it's likely to get paid, and factor in expenses it will have... and you get an assessment of its value.

That's why its market cap is still only a little over $400 million, even though it got this payment and has won another judgment against Apple (though the damages in that case have to be reconsidered). It's also why its share price wasn't being hit like many other equities were in the broader market sell off.

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Most recently, Apple attempted to get the U.S. Supreme Court to hear its appeal ('https://www.geekwebguides.com/2020/02/24/u-s-supreme-court-appeal-440-million-virnetx-case/'), but the Supreme Court in February 2020 declined to intervene.

Apple claimed that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office had canceled "key parts" of many of the patents involved in the case, but the courts rescinded that cancelation, leaving Apple responsible for the $440 million payment.

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The court (i.e. the Federal Circuit) had not rescinded the cancelation of the patents (i.e. patent claims) at issue in the petition to the Supreme Court. The Federal Circuit had upheld the invalidation of those patents. (There were invalidations of 2 other patents which the Federal Circuit sent back to the PTAB to be reconsidered.) Those patents, which are part of what Apple was found to have infringed and ordered to pay damages base on (in the first case, for which it has now paid the judgment), are still invalid. But Apple has had to pay damages based on them regardless.

Part of what Apple wanted the Supreme Court to do was give effect to the invalidation of those patents, or instruct the Federal Circuit to consider whether it should give effect to those invalidations, in the infringement case we're talking about.

Your time wasn't wasted. I learned a few things along the way.

Thanks for letting me know. I sort of gave up :-)

It's odd that this hasn't affected AAPL stock price much. $454 million is a whole...

400th...

of its cash hoard. Nevermind. I started writing this post before I looked up the numbers and can't believe just how massive AAPL is.

Odd thing to call a company that just received a check for $454 Million.

How much debt do they already have? It may not be that much in the end. After all they've been fighting this lawsuit for a while.

Apple tends to fight-to-the-death on stuff like this when other companies just pay the licensing fee. I don't know if that attitude comes from the top or from the legal department. Apple's lawyers have got to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em so I suspect top management or Cook himself orders them to soldier on even if they know the game is over.

It's because a lot of times these patents are ********.

Some method of doing something gets patented, but not used for anything. Then a company like Apple comes up with the same tech independently and makes an actual product. Then they get sued for it.

I'm not saying that's the case here, just saying it's important to defend yourself against lawsuits from these companies that just stockpile patents and don't make anything with them. You never know what might be buried in some patent when coming up with a new (to you) way of doing something.