Apple Ordered to Retract Part of Press Release in Ongoing Qualcomm Battle

Qualcomm isn't going to lose a thing. They have a superior product to that of anything else on the market. Intel does not even come close. Not using Qualcomm chips in their products would hurt mobile phone manufactures more than it would Qualcomm because customers would move to a manufacture that uses the much better modem chips. Customers want quality and they know they can get it with Qualcomm chips.

I agree that customers want quality. The thing is, aside from geeks that frequent tech forums such as this, how many iPhone buyers do you think even know what a modem is, let alone who manufactures the one in their phone? We're a small minority of iPhone owners here. Most people don't know or care who make the parts in their phone. As long as it has an Apple logo and it does what they want, they are satisfied.

Well this little stint may cost Apple some but is going to cost Qualcomm a lot more in lost business revenue in the end.

Qualcomm isn't going to lose a thing. They have a superior product to that of anything else on the market. Intel does not even come close. Not using Qualcomm chips in their products would hurt mobile phone manufactures more than it would Qualcomm because customers would move to a manufacture that uses the much better modem chips. Customers want quality and they know they can get it with Qualcomm chips.

Good, typical Apple here, it likes to ignore court rulings with press releases, considering it tried to make a mockery of the UK court ruling to publicly apologise for its mess of a case against Samsung.. the court didn't find it amusing and threatened them with punishment if they didn't do it as instructed... Apple will earn a reputation...

He clearly could have misspoke in a live demo. However it’s no lie they invented their version of multitouch the same as they invented their version of finger print reader, mo3 player etc.

If you don’t agree Apple does not promulgate the idea they “invented everything” we’ll just go around in circles.

Why again is this relevant in this thread!

No, he lied. He didn't misspeak. Jobs spent time rehearsing scripts for the presentations. He clearly lied and meant to lie.

Apple didn't invent their own version of multitouch even if you want to makeup stories; they bought out a company called Fingerworks that already did work on multitouch. Then Jobs claimed THEY themselves invented. Neither Apple nor Fingerworks invented multitouch because again; Bill Buxton invented it in the 80s.

Qualcomm isn't going to lose a thing. They have a superior product to that of anything else on the market. Intel does not even come close. Not using Qualcomm chips in their products would hurt mobile phone manufactures more than it would Qualcomm because customers would move to a manufacture that uses the much better modem chips. Customers want quality and they know they can get it with Qualcomm chips.

No need for a Ferrari when a BMW can get you there as well.
Qualcomm modems might be the better ones but I have no troubles with my Intel modem in my Xs, why don't people see this, there's no need for a 0.01 second faster browser download on an iPhone.

As for your "Qualcomm isn't going to lose a thing." comment, let's wait and see, they already lost Apple as a client, billions lost, they also will lose the licensing "stuff", they play it dirty, it will be downhill from here and on.

If we only want to based things at the root level only, then lets also then say noting is really inveted anymore, because we all copy from everyone else... too

There is a different between invented for the masses, and invented "for iPhone" which was Tim was going for... When mention TouchID, you don't announce someone else's credit on stage at YOUR event.. Its looks bad saying "i' not giving credit here", but we know all its not from Apple..

Samsung displays are used in iPhone, but Tim wan' announce they bit on stage. It's not a lie, as there is proof out there IF users wanna look it up. Tim doesn't seem t think that would be a main concern of WWDC attendees to know who makes this display ? Why would they care? It's not like they would not create apps for iPhone, because "Tim said on stage out displays are made by Samsung"

I don't think that really matters when it comes to developing.

you and the original thread are confusing words.

"INVENT" an "INNOVATE" are sometimes used incorrectly and use din place of one another.


When something is invented. it's a first. there is no other before. To create or design something that has not existed before.

When something is innovated it's change, updated, or modified to accomplish something in a new or unique way.



Apple did NOT invent multi-touch nor it's derivatives no matter how you want to spin it. Apple bought a multi-touch technology that already existed and innovated it's use into a smartphone.


to use the word Invent in this context would be lying. To use the word innovate in this context would be truthful.

trying to say something is "invented for the masses" vs "Invented for the iPhone" is misleading. And this was likely the intention behind the original push of "Boy did we patent it" with the attempt to mislead without outright lying that many of the innovations that Apple did, were their inventions.

Apple was always a great innovator. However, if you look through Apple's history, they rarely ever invented.

you are right that no company gets on stage at their own events and hands over credit to their competitors. that's foolish. But it's also ethically questionable to try and imply credit to yourself if it's not the full truth.
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I agree, he’s reaching. Steve Jobs’ lying was extreme and famous, he lied to himself especially. His entire “reality distortion field” is grounded in it. Problem is, he didn’t know it was a lie, he was delusional. Doesn’t matter how many times he practiced the speech, Steve was not the type of man to listen to anyone in Apple telling him it’s not real. His belief in his delusions was strong enough that it made others believe it too.

To an outsider it might be a lie, to him, it’s the truth. Just a matter of view. Personally I wouldn’t call a delusional person a liar, because a lie literally must be intentional. Still, I can see how they could be perceived as one. Ultimately it’s a matter of semantics / perspective.

I'm sorry, I don't pass of lies as just delusion to hand wave them away.

in fact, it's almost even more troubling. Because a Delusion is just a lie one has convinced himself of. if one cannot tell his own lies from truth, that is a serious problem.

I don't know if Jobs was delusional. That's some armchair psychology. its best not to do so. But you are right that Steve Jobs, for the pedestal everyone wants to put him on, had a history of lieing if it suited him or Apple. He lied about the industry when it suited him, heck, he even lied about his daughter for a short while and originally told her she wasn't his.

anyone who claims he didn't lie to serve his interest might very well be delusional. But then again, lets not armchair diagnose :p